PM Jr & Charlotte's Baby-Letters




Dear Lincoln, Have you noticed how Lola is now missing her #4 "finger" feathers, counting inward from the outermost "finger". They normally have five fingers, but for a few days or so she has only four. And in one of your last photos from today(posted) i can see two new wing feathers coming in on each wing due to the backlighting. I happen to watch for these things, and try and follow the progress. Im heart broken over the grandchild's kidnapping. As always your time, experiences, and photos are sacred to me.


Kyle in PA

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First I want to thank you for your web site. I check it every day and have been doing so for years. My husband is a General Falconer and even he believes that in this case you should let nature take its course. Man does not have to step in to save the day. My heart goes out for the parents. They are more than likely terrified about the loss of their baby. I will continue to watch and see what man decides to do. But I am so saddened about the situation and know that you are also.

Thank you again for the most awesome website on the net!!

Kate,
Binghamton, NY


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You are not alone over this. I just read news that while baby hawk struggled in the 55th street courtyard one of the parents was circling over the courtyard. Why don't stupid humans just leave them alone. I have no doubt if the area had cleared of people that parent would have descended to the baby and tended to it, feeding and caring for it until it could fly out. Horvath had better get that hawk back to the parents before it is too late and he has to "keep it" in the cage. What can we do.I have been really sick to the point of actually vomiting over this. I am just so upset. Sometimes I wish I was dead.

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Dear Commissioner Benepe and Director Hobel,I am writing again to now beg you to take immediate action. I am sure you have the power to rescue the baby red-tailed hawk from the so-called rehabilitator who is now hoarding the bird. It is uninjured, and it was fledging -- beginning to fly. It does not need and cannot benefit from being kept in a cage on Long Island. This is an outrageous situation. The bird is being deprived of its right and ability to return to its own environment and ITS OWN PARENTS. Any reputable rehabilitator will tell you an uninjured baby fledgling must be left to the care of its parents. Although Park Rangers and police correctly went to the rescue of the baby, it is a grave error to keep it. I beg you to act immediately. I understand that you may not be able to return my emails or my many calls to your offices, but this is vitally important. If you are still ignorant of the true story of this bird, then see this immediately: http://www.palemale.com/
Sincerely, Romola C.

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I have also copied Nicole Bode of the Daily News on this message.


I don't know if this info below will help, but I am hoping that someone whom Mr. Horvath trusts (Bruce?) can tell him about this item from the Pennsylvania Department of the Environment falcon web page at http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/falcon/ on the proper handling of new fledglings. Perhaps that will convince him to return the bird to its nesting area, and take advantage of the offers of hawk-knowledgable people to watch out for it to be sure its parents find it, which they are sure to do if it is returned (very very) promptly, so that it can be a wild hawk, as it was intended to be.


6/12/2007 :: Watch and Rescue Begins/Eyases are Treated Watch and Rescue Program: The watch and rescue program in now being conducted. Volunteers work two-hour shifts, reporting, by radio, activity at the ledge to “falcon central” that is the DEP Environmental Education Center. If a fledgling lands on the street or any other situation the would put it in harms way, the young bird is rescued, examined and placed on the roof of the 16 floor Rachel Carson State Office Building. Eventually, the fledgling will fly again, usually landing on a nearby building. Within a day or two after fledging, the young birds develop the strength and skills necessary to return to the nest ledge.


Karen

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I would like to respond to Stella M's letter because I believe she and Mr. Horvath are ommitting important factors which need to be addressed: First and foremost, you are not a hotheaded ignoramous whose mission in life is to cause others discomfort, but someone who has also spent great amounts of personal time and money photographing and caring about the well being of wildlife just as has Mr. Horvath. You do not deserve to be lied to or hung up on or ignored and should have been treated by Mr. Horvath as a colleague. Second, from all that is commonly known about replacing displaced fledglings, if Mr. Horvath told you that he intended keeping the bird longer than 2 or 3 days, than it demonstrates that he in fact intends to keep the animal. And lastly, the very fact that Stella M states at the end of her letter that she doesn't think you will post her email shows her complete ignorance of who you are, of what you have been doing for the last 16 years, and of what your purpose is.


Marilyn

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I rang up Mr. Horvath who was very rough with me over the phone and ask that he wish "the bird fans would stop calling him". I stated the hawk belongs to it's mother and the longer he keeps it the longer he'll be depending on humans. He was rude and stated that he knew what was best for the bird and would do what he thought was right and stated again "Bird fans need to stop calling" in a very rough voice. And when I was in the middle of saying something he hung up on me:(
Regards,Debbie C., New Britain CT

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Much sorrow over the situation with PaleMale's grandchild. The first rule of rehabilitation is to return an uninjured healthy creature to it's habitat and parents immediately if at all possible which is obviously the case here. As a qualified Veterinary Surgeon and rehabilitator specialising in birds of all sorts but mainly raptors I can state this with confidence. It sounds as though this man is holding the bird for his own personal benefit because there is no reason not to return it. In South Africa it is illegal to keep a healthy wild animal in captivity if it can be returned to a natural life. From what little contact I have had in the past with USA rehab people I imagine they are drawing blood and doing tests, and perhaps this could shed some light on the sterility of Lola's eggs. On the positive side, no matter how long it is kept in a cage as soon as it is released instinct will take over and it will be fine. Ringing is controversial and in the past I have had some of my birds rung because it is very interesting to follow up if the bird is ever found or in trouble again. I have a one winged stork in the sanctuary that was rung in Eastern Europe 15 years ago, and I once had a bird known as a Dikkop that was just exhausted that had been rung 22 years previously, and I released it once it was strong enough. It is one way to monitor movement and survival and longevity. However I do not ring anymore because I once had to remove a ring from a swift because it was too tight. Have faith that good will prevail and that the Creator is in control, we can but do our best. You have done a million times more than your share and have my utmost admiration and respect. regards Julia

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I was unable to reach Mr.Horvath. I left a message on one number, the other mailbox was full. I did however speak to a gentleman in the DEC Law Enforcement office. His loud, aggressive manner immediately turned me off, but I managed to state my business.

He claims that the bird was taken because he's injured and needs rehabilitation. I explained that I didn't realize that he had been injured and that his parents are frantically searching for him. At that point there was dead silence on the other end of the phone.

I ended the conversation by saying that many concerned citizens in New York City and elsewhere are aware that too many animals in "protective custody" somehow end up dead.

I told him we will be monitoring the case very carefully. I could sense that he was eager to hang up the phone.

Lincoln, please keep us posted.

Best, Joan

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I am not a bird fanatic and was actually completely oblivious to their existence until Wednesday morning when I saw the baby bird in the corner not being able to fly out. I was the one that called Daily News, flagged the first police officer that arrived there and tried to call rescue services. I thought we did a good deed until I started reading the updates from the last two days and realized what is going on. Since I work on 55th and 6th Avenue, I went at 1pm today (June 15th) to 7th Avenue and 56th Street to check for myself. I looked up and my heart pained as I could sure see the two birds, I guess the parents of the baby hawk, circling low in what appears to be indeed a frantic way. I don't know what to do and I feel horrible that I might have caused more harm then good and maybe there was something else that I could have done that morning to help this bird find its way to its nest rather to a rescue center in LI. I would like to know legally who has a right over the bird and can decide when it should be realised. Regards, Dora

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I just spoke Mr. Horvath and he stated that he has not decided when he will release the Baby Hawk..... Did not want to have any conversation about what he has done, He also said when the Baby is ready ...... the pressure is getting to him ... he did not sound very happy.

Regards, Lorraine Media Pa.

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From the websites of Long Island Birding and Long Island Volunteers forWildlife: " If the bird is a fledgling (has left the nest, but still dependent onparents), understand that it is normal for young birds to leave their nestbefore they can fly. They will often spend time near the nest on the groundor in nearby bushes or trees. This is normal. So, if you find a fledglingdon’t be in too much of a hurry to rescue it. Use common sense. If it isin an unsafe place, move the bird to a safer location and then watch it froma distance. After awhile, if you are certain it has been abandoned ((andthe red tailed hawk fledgling that the rehabber is currently holding is notabandoned)), then place the bird in a box that it can’t get out of. Do notpet or fondle it! You do NOT want the bird to become accustomed to you asthat will inhibit its future survival. " "....male red-tailed hawk came to our center in 1991. He was confiscated bythe DEC from a citizen who had him tied by the leg as a pet. He was housedat VW for the duration of the trial, after which the DEC requested he remainat our center. He could not be released to the wild because, during acrucial period in his development, he became imprinted on humans. Thoughtechnically in retirement, he still goes out on education programs becausehe enjoys it. Red-Tailed Hawks are numerous all across New York State,including Long Island and the city boroughs." It seems that Bobby the Rehabber needs to read his own organization'sliterature. I am not impressed with the passionate letter in defense of him. He may loveanimals and that is nice, but that does not make him an ETHICAL licensedwildlife rehabilitator.

RJS / Morton, Illinois

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You need to be aware that there are a number of "licensed" rehabbers whohave become collectors of healthy, uninjured, specialty birds and othercreatures - sort of their own petting zoos. As Mr Horvath is holding the RTH in contraindication to all wildlife rules,policies, and ethics, I suspect he is a "petting zoo" rehabber. Perhaps wecan all go to visit his zoo on Long Island, and if we make a donation, hewill let us see him teaching his creatures tricks for treats.
R. J. Grenwold, Peoria, IL

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I am sorry that the eyass was taken away from Jr. and Charlotte, but I have to believe that the rehabber who has it will indeed return it to the park area shortly. There is no reason for him to keep it if it can be placed someplace where people/dogs, etc. can't bother it while the parents care for it, assuming it is eating and acting normally with no injuries from its fledging event. Perhaps offering to help find a rooftop or other suitable location for the fledgling near Jr. and Charlotte would help them release it more quickly.

I volunteer with a raptor rehabilitation center, and we do everything we can to help the birds get back to the wild successfully, including placing them with foster parents, but obviously it is best if it can be returned soon while its parents are still looking for it. Then I would think someone would need to monitor it from a distance to make sure the parents do indeed find and care for it so it does not starve. Otherwise, it could be raised at the facility and taught to hunt there in his flight cage, before being released near the site it was found, as our facility tries to do with all birds that come in to us. Unless the site is unsuitable for habitat the bird is to be returned to the location it came from.

I do not have a license, I am not an expert, I am just a lowly volunteer, but I have seen numerous eyasses raised at our center successfully released after they are old enough and have learned to hunt prey. Of course being with Mom and Dad is best, but not always possible. In this case, however, I agree that the sooner it is returned to its parents, in a location where the public cannot harass it, the better.

I do so enjoy your site. Please try to be calm. Not everyone is evil...


Sally Seyal, Prospect, KY

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His website clearly states the following, but he did not do that. I wonder if he moved it to a safer location to watch it before taking it to Long Island. Do you know? They probably think we all are a bunch of nut cases, but I really don't care. I would like to know why they removed it from the Park.

If the bird is a fledgling (has left the nest, but still dependent on parents), understand that it is normal for young birds to leave their nest before they can fly. They will often spend time near the nest on the ground or in nearby bushes or trees. This is normal. So, if you find a fledgling don’t be in too much of a hurry to rescue it. Use common sense. If it is in an unsafe place, move the bird to a safer location and then watch it from a distance. After awhile, if you are certain it has been abandoned, then place the bird in a box that it can’t get out of. Do not pet or fondle it! You do NOT want the bird to become accustomed to you as that will inhibit its future survival.
Monsanto Company

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I read Marie Winn's site explaining exactly what Horvath is doing with baby hawk - it's really making sense that the baby be kept just until it can fly on its own. It would be far worse to just return it immediately to the park. the probelem is when returned to the park in a few days how will it be fed - will Charlotte and PMJ hear it's cries, will they find the baby to feed it?

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I know how distraught you must be. Please hang in there. In the meantime, there are many people who are trying to contact the powers that be, along with the press, to put pressure on them to "do the right thing."

Attached is a letter I wrote to Nicole Bode, the writer of the Daily News articles to ask her help and continue the press on this matter. I also e-mailed Commissioner Adrian Benepe of the Parks Commission, and left messeges with Fish and Wildlife (Bobby Horvath's machine was still not taking any more messeges).

Let's hope we can make something happen and help the fledgling.

—Charmain Begin forwarded message:

From: Charmain D. Date: June 15, 2007 3:10:00 PM EDT To: nbode@nydailynews.com Subject: RETURN OF BABY HAWK

Hi Nicole—

Thanks for the follow-up article today on the fledgling hawk "Ziggy." I'm one of the long-term "hawk watchers" at Central Park, beginning with Pale Male (grandfather) and Lola, and the past several years with his parents, (Pale Male) Junior and Charlotte. I'm sure you've been made aware of this little guys lineage, but suffice it to say this baby comes from a hawk family, famous for being know as one of the first to make their home in a highrise in the middle of a metropolis. They also act as ambassadors, teaching us how to respect, cohabit and protect wildlife in this city.

The period of fledging is an exciting and anxiety-ridden time for those of us who are watching these guys, but it IS a totally natural stage that occurs with fits and starts, and can take several days to get the hang of it. In other words, A PERFECT FIRST FLIGHT IS RARELY TO BE EXPECTED. However, in city surroundings, the awkwardness and downing of a fledgling (as in this case) calls for some assistance.

Although their are many well-intentioned people in this story, I have to say we need to focus on the well-being on the baby hawk, above all. And do all that we can for the speedy return to the hawks family and surroundings.

In your recent article re: the rehabilitator Bobby Horvath, who's currently holding the fledging, he states he's worried about the hawks' recovery time, with there being only a narrow window of opportunity to successfully returning the hawk chick. This hawk has already been stabilized and found not to have any health issues which would keep it from being released. The fact that it hadn't yet taken a "full flight" has no bearing on its being healthy. The real concern should be with Mr. Odom in holding this hawk beyond what is reasonable and humane.

The professional and "right" thing to do is to release Ziggy back to Central Park South, where his parents can pick up in the training and life he deserves. Every day that passes, the issue becomes more critical.

The hawking community needs all the press it can get on this issue to push for the prompt release of this fledgling. I appreciate whatever help you can give to this end.

Keep up the story!!!

Regards— Charmain D.

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I called the cell # you provided and left him a message requesting that he return the baby hawk to central park. I explained in Florida we DO NOT hold healthy, uninjured babies!! It's too stressful and it begins the imprinting process.

Hope it helps! Thanks for keeping us posted :-)

Lori M. Tampa, FL

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I’m hoping that you know that a Mr. AL BAKER wrote an article mentioning the sheep, kestrel and the baby RTH that were all “rescued” in the 6-14-07 edition of the NY Times. Below is the e-mail address that comes up when you click on the link to mail him. Maybe some pressure from the public can do some good since all of the phone mailboxes seem to be “full”. People should direct their comments to AL BAKER since his name is on the byline of the article….dont’cha think? I hope that the baby gets returned soon. Thank you for your lovely pictures of the birds and other life in the Big Apple!

Joyce from McKenney, VA

http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html

Link to the article itself:

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Much sorrow over the situation with PaleMale's grandchild. The first rule of rehabilitation is to return an uninjured healthy creature to it's habitat and parents immediately if at all possible which is obviously the case here. As a qualified Veterinary Surgeon and rehabilitator specialising in birds of all sorts but mainly raptors I can state this with confidence. It sounds as though this man is holding the bird for his own personal benefit because there is no reason not to return it. In South Africa it is illegal to keep a healthy wild animal in captivity if it can be returned to a natural life. From what little contact I have had in the past with USA rehab people I imagine they are drawing blood and doing tests, and perhaps this could shed some light on the sterility of Lola's eggs. On the positive side, no matter how long it is kept in a cage as soon as it is released instinct will take over and it will be fine. Ringing is controversial and in the past I have had some of my birds rung because it is very interesting to follow up if the bird is ever found or in trouble again. I have a one winged stork in the sanctuary that was rung in Eastern Europe 15 years ago, and I once had a bird known as a Dikkop that was just exhausted that had been rung 22 years previously, and I released it once it was strong enough. It is one way to monitor movement and survival and longevity. However I do not ring anymore because I once had to remove a ring from a swift because it was too tight. Have faith that good will prevail and that the Creator is in control, we can but do our best. You have done a million times more than your share and have my utmost admiration and respect.

Regards, Julia

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After reading all of the various contributions to your website regarding the rescued fledgling red tailed hawk, I feel compelled to write to you in defense of Mr. Horvath. As you try to smear his excellent reputation I would like to take a moment to defend him and how this bird is being handled. Bobby Horvath is a state and federally licensed wildlife rehabilitator with 15 years experience. I would doubt that any of these people writing into your website can claim that.

This bird has not been "kidnapped" as you are implying. The parks department found the bird and in the best interest of the hawk, based on its location and the immediate danger it was in, decided that it needed to be evaluated before being re-released. They contacted Bobby and brought the bird to him, he did not barge in and rip the bird from its parents as so many of your contributors are implying. Standard procedure for a wildlife rescue is for the animal to be evaluated, and at that point it is determined whether it can be released, or if medical care is needed. The mission of wildlife rehabilitators is to return these animals back to the wild as soon as possible, with minimal human contact.

You say you would rather have the baby die in the sight of its parents? It is okay for it to be taken by a predator, or hit by a car or bicycle, or perhaps some kids could throw rocks at it. That is OKAY in your mind. But to try to give it every chance to live, by just checking it out, evaluating it, making sure it doesn't have internal injuries, that is not okay? You would rather see it weaken and die an agonizingly slow death from internal injuries? I am sirry, but that is just beyond my comprehension.

His organization rescues hundreds of animals each year, and they are NOT paid to do it. They are all volunteers, Bobby included. The vast majority of this costly care is financed by Bobby himself, these animals are NOT used as "fundraising icons", without any regard to their well being. A non releasable animal is only kept in captivity if it is determined that it will do well, with minimum stress. Only then is the animal determined to be a good candidate for captivity. The goal is to release as many animals as possible back into their natural habitat.

I do not know of anyone who is as passionate and respectful of wildlife as Bobby is, and I know many people who are involved with wildlife and conservation. Bobby devotes his life to these animals, at the expense of his personal time and his finances and I am highly offended that you would try to smear his reputation and imply that he is some sort of incompetent who doesn't know what he is doing. I find it shameful that you have encouraged people to call and harass him at home and on his cell phone. Shame on every single person who has called him day and night, harassing and threatening him. I would bet that not one of them has 15 years experience saving wildlife and that not one of them can say they have saved hundreds of animals in that time. Not only does he save wildlife, he educates people about animals. Bobby conducts programs at schools and for organizations in order to educate people and provide a better understanding of the wildlife that we share this world with. This is an invaluable service. Many of these children would otherwise never know anything about animals, but thanks to Bobby's programs, they now have a respect and an interest they may never have had. To have posted his phone numbers and started this slanderous campaign is wrong.

I can guarantee you that the fledgling red tailed hawk will be released at the proper time, when it is in the best interests of the BIRD to be released, not due to public pressure. It could be today, it could be tomorrow, it could have been yesterday for all you know, but it will NOT be because of nasty harassing phone calls. It will be when the experts determine that the bird is okay to be set free.

I doubt you will post this email, but as Bobby's friend, and as someone who believes in what he does and supports his organization fully, I felt compelled to defend him against this onslaught of harassment from misguided people. He does not deserve this. His mission, his goal in life is and has always been to save wildlife, by every means possible. To accuse him of anything different is unacceptable. Shame on you.

Stella M.

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Hi Lincoln, What are your thoughts about this guy? Check out his site
Rick

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I hope you are well. I was able to leave a message on Bobby the "Rehabber"'s phone this morning, but note that his mailbox is full now for all people trying. I read the letter from Jules who indicated that Bobby's brochure lists: 516-293-0587 as his number, and since I really want "talk" to him, I tried that number, and it picked up on the answering message saying "If you want to leave a message about rehab ... and I left him another "nice" message, urging him to do the right thing and return the baby hawk. I will call the Fish & Wildlife, but the biggest help would be press coverage - somebody that emailed contacted the reporter that wrote the initial story, so perhaps publish contact info for the reporter, so that we can overwhelm them with our concern - creating bigger urgency, sensationalism??? Thanks for letting us all know and coordinating efforts for attempted rescue.

Take care, Mimie

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I tried calling the rehabber, but he doesn't answer the phone and his mail box is full. Do you have an email address for him? Maybe he will succumb to the pressure (of all the phone calls) and release the baby back to its parents. If the baby is NOT sick or injured, it should be a crime for him to keep it!!!!!!!!!!

Lori Moreda Tampa, FL

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Hi Lincoln, Just made contact with Bobby using this number 516 293 0587 as advised by your postings. He said other people will determine the out come. I advised him that the baby NEEDS TO BE WITH ITS PARENTS WHEN FLEDGING . He sounded elusive and not sincere so lets keep at him.

Rick

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Hi Lincoln, I made a call to both entities in regard to the baby red tail, the mailbox is full at Bobby's, DEC left message to release the bird to its parents. As you know and my experience( when in high school I saved a baby owl from two guys that took it out of its nest) Its chances of a normal life is diminishing daily. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING, ITS NO BIG DEAL TO FLEG AND NOT BE SUCCESSFUL FIRST TIME OUT. Gee what a bunch of amateurs. Let me know how to help further and please up date your sight with more communication.

Regards, Rick

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The rehabber's voice mail box is full so I cannot leave a message there. I called the DEC and they referred me to Fish and Wildlife. 718-482-4922. Their mailbox is also full. I hope that means that those who care are raising a ruckus. I will keep trying all numbers.

Please keep posting updates on the fledgling. I am so upset that they will not give him back!

Robin S. Morton IL

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Hi! I called Bobby Horvath and his mail box was 'full' and would not take any more messages. Called DEC and they said there was nothing they could do but gave me Fish and Game number 718-482-4922. Their mail box was also full and would not take any more messages.

My heart goes out to Pale Male, Jr. and Charlotte!! I so want them to have their baby back. Please post the info daily so we will know if they get him back. Will say lots of prayers!!

Mary Lou San Jose, CA

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Hey Lincoln. I contacted the reporter that wrote the front page article in today's NY Daily News regarding the fledgling hawk found in Midtown yesterday and told her that he is believed to be related to Pale Male and that his parents are known as Pale Male Junior and Charlotte by the NYC birding community. I also told her that the fledgling needs to be released ASAP into the southwest section of Central Park so that his parents can continue to raise him and teach him to hunt for himself. She was VERY interested in the information so perhaps she will write something additional and the public can sway the Urban Park Rangers to release him now. Charlotte was sitting on the nest this morning. I'm sure she was scanning below with her keen eyes, trying to find her baby.

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First of all, thank you for all the amazing photos you are still taking for us all to enjoy. i am very grateful because your pictures bring a calm and keep me grounded. It’s been a difficult year with a lot of life’s curves being thrown at me and our friends are real role models for me. You have to just keep going on and doing the best you can. They are very good examples of that (and so are you). I am really enjoying seeing how well the babies are doing. I will call the numbers you posted and "demand" that they let charlottes little chick go. Let’s hope it works. Hang in there Lincoln. and, as always, thanks for the great photos. Laura B.

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Thanks for the update on the young Red-tailed Hawk from the south end of the park. Unless this guy is nuts he has to release the hawk back into the park immediately. I tried calling him just now (Thurs. 11:15am) and his voice mailbox is full. This is totally against what I would normally do but he needed to hear something about RTs and fledglings. Glad to hear you got to speak to him before his mailbox got flooded.

See you around. Ben

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What a tragedy. I left a message. I really wanted to lay into him but I just told him he should be ashamed of himself. It makes me so sad.

Marti

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Dear Commissioner Benepe and Director Hobel, Although I was pleased that the NYC police and park rangers responded to the stranded baby red-tailed hawk, I am disappointed and surprised that they did not receive the advice usually offered by wildlife rehabilitators, which is to return it to its home, and/or leave it where it is. A baby fledgling is always better off left to its parent’s attentions. Haven't you ever seen the film about Palemale? One of the first fledglings landed on Fifth Ave, and after being rescued by a devoted follower, a wildlife rehabilitator advised that it be placed on a balcony -- and that advice was followed. You appear to have made a grave error, in whisking this fledgling off to Long Island. Please return the baby to its natural environment immediately. As you know, Mr. Lincoln Karim is the best person to advise on where and how to place the baby somewhere close to its parents where it will be found and tended to by its own parents. And, his close and continued relationships with many other experts in this field should also be consulted immediately. There is not time to waste. Please, please act immediately.

Thank you. Romola C.

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I am so sad to hear about Pale Male Jrs. and Charlotte's baby...I had a bad feeling about this right from the start when I saw where they had built their nest...In a perfect world I had hoped that some caring person would find the baby and bring it to you...I will phone the person on Long Island as soon as I have finished this message. I made calls to the people you listed about Pale Male and Lola's nest but each time I got an answering service and I could not even leave messages as they were all full up....so maybe it was all Pale Male's friends. In our area people in big MacMansions are complaining about the deer eating their expensive landscaping plants and trees so sharp shooters have been hired to come out at night and kill as many deer as possible...never mind that the does have fawns now so when the Mom's are killed the babies will die a slow death of starvation. They hope to kill at least 50 every night for maybe 2 weeks. My heart aches....just as it did when recently 27,000 baby seals were clubbed to death and some skinned alive. .. On a happier note we found a Baltimore Orioles nest in the Park just now...we have heard the birds singing but this is the first time we saw a nest...a perfectly woven masterpiece!!! It is quite low down so we hope no-one else finds it!! Your photos of the baby hawks around NYC are magnificent...It is wonderful to see them getting ready to fledge with their huge wings...every feather perfectly formed. I will pray that Pale Male's offspring will be returned to the Park but if not we must be glad he did not end up under a car. Sometimes it is hard to get so attached to birds and animals, I must admit I often prefer them to the human race. Take care of yourself Lincoln,

Sincerely, Norma H. Pennsylvania

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Lincoln what is Bobby Horvath's email address? Rehab for this fledge is ridiculous. It was ready to fledge, which it did normally. It just landed in a bad place. Survival of Red-tail young trained by their parents is much higher than those that have not had parental training.

Do you happen to know the amount of time in which an eyass can go missing, then reappear, and the parents will still accept it back for care?

Donna

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I'm sorry I was not home when you called I hope you got my return vmail, I'm sure you were actively using the phone to help the 888 fledgling. When you want authorities to act this quickly it never seems to happen, except when you least expect it. It is really sad news that the 888 fledgling is totally out of his territory, but I'm glad its doing well for now. I hope you were able to make progress with Bobby and that he returns the fledgling back to CP without delay so the parents can locate it and start raising it properly.

Please keep me posted.

Best to you and your efforts!! Jeff

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Who is Bobby, and why was he handed over a normal baby hawk? Why did the Central Park people get involved - the only thing they should have done was to place the in a safe area of the park. I thought red tailed hawks were protected by the government from interference. What can be done to bring that baby to freedom safely? Nothing can be done about the poking and prodding and banding. I hate that too!!! Why do people always think they know everything and interfere with nature??? Please post contact information so those of us concerned can lobby for release of Pale Male Jr and Charlottes baby - I bet they are freaking out wondering what happened to their baby, because typically they would be watching over and making sure the baby had food. If Bobby professes to be an animal lover, he would surely understand that it is a crime/sin to hold that healthy baby for his own selfish reasons. Just had to sound off. My prayers are with the baby hawk, probably so scared and all alone - away from his parents.

Take care, Mimie

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That's horrible!!!! I just saw him last month doing a presentation at the Queens County Bird Watchers Club. His number at WINORR is 516-293-0587 (from his brochure). If you need us all to tap into our inner blue jays and harass him into dropping his latest catch, just let us know on your site.

Jules

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Oh Lincoln! I wish I had not even read about it!!! What are those poor parents doing--they are looking and calling for their baby--and it needs to be trained by its parents. Why are human beings so stupid?? I am heart sick for you.

Love Betty Jo

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I was also looking for the little and got word that it had been taken to a rescue center....do you have the number of bobby Horvath as I cannot locate him in long island city...I know he rehabilitate animals from the park .....He needs to be called again and again to return the bird to its parents...if you can I would like the number....

Veronica

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I emailed Mr. Benepe, Marie, and Bruce Yolton about the young hawk Horvath took. I hope they will do something. This is very sad and outrageous,

Karen

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That is ridiculous. If the fledgling is not hurt and does not need rehabilitation he should be returned back to the wild. However, I am glad that Bobby is a wildlife rehabilitator and not some stranger that wants to keep him as a pet. At least he knows what he is doing with regard to caring for the bird.

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Dear Lincoln, First of all, thank you for your magnificent photos of Pale Male, Lola, their extended families and everything else you share with us. I have spent hours on your site. I heard about the fallen young RTH tonight on the news and assumed it was PM Jr’s baby because of the location. I immediately checked your website to see how to contact you and saw your post about the incident. Will it help any if we e-mail someone or somewhere to get the bird released back into the Park w/o any bands, and to so like tomorrow? I will write and will have my friends send mail, too. Advise me if you want to begin an immediate campaign, or put the info on your home page. I'm sick about this and I only know these birds vicariously through you...you must be beyond sick! :o( Thank you again for all your wonderful photographs. I hope to meet you someday in the park! If I can help, I will.

Alice W.

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